Bad Behaviour on-line- FINAL WARNING

[terrorfleiger]

I can't help but notice that the standard of manners and all-around good behaviour appear to have dropped-away quite severly in the last few weeks. Kill stealing in particular appears almost de rigueur these days with some people actually arguing that it's perfectly acceptable and legal for god's sake!!

I just wonder if it isn't time, during this period or resurgence, that management makes a clear, unambiguous statement, about the way people conduct themselves while on the server, and about kill stealing in particular. Whether that means txt warnings or what have you I don't know but I think something needs to be done.

I think there should be a fairly simple rule as regards kill stealing: if a team mate has got an enemy smoking, and he appears to be in control of the situation, other team members should cover but not engage.

As things currently stand it's all getting a bit wild west out there and I think that really detracts from the overall experience.

[delta7]

This is covered in the server rules

http://www.war-clouds.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=29

If anyone is concerned over this then please pm an admin and he will request a track and make a decision

[delta7]

General bad behaviour has been increasing.

I am spending more time adminning online and less flying

This has got to stop, especially the bad language and abusing other players

Final warning or there will be a few folk getting kicked

S

[Sugar]

We do make such statements terrorfleiger. Here and in game.

I understand your point, believe me I do. Anyone that flys a Mustang III does. Worst thing about Kill stealing? While you have the target under control those other guys that are supposed to be on your side are angling for a shot at the dead man flying instead of looking for the fresh planes trying to come to your kills aid. This is what upsets me personally about kill stealers, not that they are ripping the kill (although I hate that!), it's that they are setting you and themselves up to die by not doing their job covering.

All that said I need to make you aware that the admin team was well aware that this sort of thing would happen with increase in server attendance. This sort and other problems as well, we are not brain dead. There will be these sorts of problems in a full server with new players.

The way to handle these problems is as delta said, record the track and email it to an admin. I'm pretty sure all admin emails are listed, mine is sugarman10@comcast.net .

Now! What we do not need is a bunch of repetitive messages in online chat about a problem, say it once, get an acknowledgement and move on. Not saying you do this or did this in connection with any incident. But! It does happen and makes it harder for us to do what we need to do. There is one particular player that does this continuously and over things that he is not a part of and knows nothing about. It's like throwing gasoline on a fire and we don't need that. I assume this guy knows who he is, he reads these forums regularly and if he is reading this please consider this a word to the wise!

Track recording a grievance is extremely important. Personally I am not going to kick a player on another players say so. That's not going to happen, I've seen too many incidences of simple misunderstanding and heat of the moment reactions (Please! Do not think I'm saying you are doing this terrorfleiger! But it does happen, I'm sure you can see how it could/does happen). First thing I'm going to do is start my own track. Second thing I'm going to do is try to talk to the accused with online chat. If that player does not acknowledge I'm going to go to the web site and check the players country of origin (which will probably cause me to crash or get shot but oh well that's part of the job) to see if he may or may not understand me (if he does not answer I'm probably going to kick him). Next I may ask for the offenders location and I will head over there.

That's a lot of steps and I do not need someone joggling my elbow while I'm do it.

[Sugar]

One more word here.

To those that are in violation of the rules. Yeah I go through all those steps (usually) that I listed above. But I DO NOT HAVE TO! This is just my way, it is NOT an outline that other admins necessarily follow.

Admins are pretty carefully chosen and our confidence in each other is pretty much absolute. If you get kicked or banned by an admin then that admin "owns" the ban. So far, in many many years I have never seen an admins decision overruled, he may change his mind (we don't want admins incapable of changing their minds) but it's his mind, other admins may advise but in the end it's his decision. There is a way for an admin to be overruled, this might be done but I would put the chances at about a bazillion to one and I have never seen it happen.

An admins authority on the server is 100 percent. I strongly advise that if an admin asks you to do something, answer a question, change markings, use the taxiway for takeoff, shut up, whatever...that you do it.

~S~

[BH_Crosstalker]

There was a player verbally abusing other people yesterday (I think he got autobanned for language, he dropped a few F bombs and magically disappeared), but I took a screenshot of his language anyway. When I tabbed out of IL-2 and pasted my screenshot, it was a blank screen. Naturally I couldn't report his language given the screenshot had failed to take. Can someone tell me how to take screens?

Thanks!

[EV401_Wolf]

It worries me, that when this action generalize, already they will be small so less problems will have... now of that action I refer....... will happen the days and it will be evident....
Second,,,,, Some players complain about that write such and such thing, but the times that I bring in I notice that they write very much and for topics that can reserve it for MY_ARMY also they send it to ALL

S! Guys !!!!

[_79_kk]

^S^

last week i took more damage from sholder shooters and kill stealers then from enemy fighters... (almoest...lol)

[Viper2000]

[BH_Crosstalker]

Yeah, I bet it's HSFX.

Also, Wolf is right that some people type their insults privately to individuals. Very often you'll see one person insulting another but the other guy isn't "responding." In truth he's possibly typing very bad things privately to the guy.

[delta7]

This server is only a reflection of the players, peer pressure is the best means to get rid of problems, all the admins can do is try to help make this server the most enjoyable for all.

Admins cant be everywhere, all the time, so if you are the subject of attacks , report it, with evidence, and it will be delt with

If someone is abusing you report it - dont inflame the situation by replying

There is no need for anyone to lower themselves to level of these idiots

I will be very strict in enforcing the rules on swearing and player respect from now on - especially in chat as you have to take the time and effort to type

WRT to Teamspeak; Push to talk is best but anyone can forget in the heat of the moment so I can excuse a breif outburst of frustration- none of us are perfect- but I will not tolerate rants or repeated infringements.

Shoulder shooting is increasing but is common on every server Iv flown on and is very difficult to manage as both parties often believe thay are each in the right - it makes everyones position easier if the players help restrict this themselves e.g. by trying to work as a team and using TS to help this.

Thanks for all the support that has been given the admins on this issue so far , it is appreciated when folk help us out


S

[VA_FZ1driver]

Lately when I am trying to bring someone down with the fifties and am suddenly surrounded by shoulder shooters and kill stealers I just peel off and try to put distance between me and the situation. The bandits friends are coming, it's just a matter of seconds usually and I figure it's justice for the offender to be the one they pounce on.

I was watching some gun camera footage once of a jug putting some short burst into an axis plane when a mustang skidded in between them firing at the bandit. I had to laugh. Shoulder shooting and kill stealing is actually realistic simulation sometimes i guess.

[EV401_Wolf]

[MikkOwl]

[JG27+Freid]

Wow, shoulder shooting and kill stealing is pretty bad lately , no fun anymore !
I blew up a B-17 and 2 guys shot at the pieces as they were falling just to get the kill. Enough for me ~S~